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Traveller-digest            Monday, 15 July 1996        Volume 1996 : Number 255

(R)1996. Traveller is a registered trademark of FarFuture Enterprises.
All rights reserved.

The following topics are covered in this digest:

         1. Re: favorite quotes
         2. Re: Jump space theory
         3. Re: Traveller-digest V1996 #226
         4. Yet still more IG praise (MM, give Shirley a raise!)
         5. Re: Pop Culture in Trav
         6. Re: Pop Culture in Trav
         7. Insider Trading
         8. Re: Off Topic SF Book Question
         9. Re: Off Topic SF Book Question
        10. Re: Yet still more IG praise (MM, give Shirley a raise!)
        11. Pop Culture in Trav (was Corn Dogs)
        12. Re: Pop Culture in Trav
        13. Re: Courier Services.
        14. Re: Knowledge of Terran History (Xboat-digest V1996 #127)
        15. Re: Starships

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From: Tom Ellis <tellis@telerama.lm.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 11:26:41 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: favorite quotes

On Mon, 15 Jul 1996, Scott Galliand wrote:

> Tom Ellis wrote:
> > 
> > Though good quotes, my favorite Han Solo quote is:
> > 
> > "Its not my fault!  Its not my fault...."
> > 
> 
> Gee, are we hinting at the future of the Skyrunner 
> campaign, hmmmm?????? :)


I can see Reymond (Scott's character and pilot of the Skyrunner) saying
this.... ;)


> 
> Scott
> 

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From: Derek Stanley <dstanley@direct.ca>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 07:11:21 -0700
Subject: Re: Jump space theory

James Lindsay wrote:

>Actually, the problem with this example is that it wouldn't work.   :-)

sniffle...  now you've hurt my feelings...  I'm going to stand over here 
and pout till you aplogize...  8)
 
>Yes, liquid Hydrogen could be used to absorb radiated heat from the jump
>drive.  As a liquid absorbs heat, it will eventually vapourize (at -253 
>C or 20 Kelvin).  Once the Hydrogen gas has absorbed a specific amount 
>of heat energy, it must be pumped away from the drive.  The problem now
>becomes, what do you transfer the heat energy locked away within the
>hydrogen gas *to*?

That's cold...  Keep your "chutney squishies" at a drinkable temperature 
though.  8)
 
>Space is void of any matter to which the heat energy can be transferred 
>to. True, the gaseous Hydrogen can be transferred to radiators mounted 
>on the hull which would eventually radiate as infrared, but it wouldn't 
>be enough. Additionally, the act of compressing a gas back into a liquid 
>transfers a great deal of heat into the pump itself (ie: to reduce the 
>temperature of something, something else must absorb that energy).  Now 
>the pump must be cooled as well  :-)

Ya...  I kinda thought of that after I sent it, but the option was write 
an imediate rebuttle to my letter, which wouldn't make a difference 
because everyone would read the other part first, or go to bed and sleep. 

Sleep naturally won out.
 
I still think you'd have a problem with freezing on the outside of the 
J-Drive, you know that old cold surface attracts condensation, 
condensation freezes, ice melts, lots of water.  Unless you had so little 
humidity in the air that this'd no longer be a problem.  But wouldn't 
that be uncomfortable?  I live in a city where rain is the natural state 
of the atmosphere so I can't imagine no humidity.

Derek Stanley


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From: gsw@aloft.att.com
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:03:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Traveller-digest V1996 #226

On Saturday, July 13, Derek Stanley <dstanley@direct.ca> wrote:

> Virus can't spontaniously cause a computer to grow an egg.  It has to be 
> in contact with that computer somehow, either, physically, through phone 
> lines, or via radio waves and Virus can only affect things with silicon 
> components, if it doesn't have silicon you've got nothing to worry about, 
> unless it's contolled by a computer.

Here is an example of one of the unneeded "powers" that does not need
to be attributed to Virus. Why should Virus be able to infect (or "lay
an egg in") my transistor radio simply because it has "a radio link"
and there's silicon in the transistors? This is just plain not needed
to make the devastation caused by Virus possible.

> See I don't think a hand computer would be safe.  The problem is, as long 
> as you didn't attach it to any infected system's it'd be safe.

My point was that you *can* build a safe hand computer. You admitted
that it's safe if it only interacts with its owner (it *is* a hand
computer after all). I won't get into the provability of a safe hand
computer that also has sensors, since you already indicated that you
attribute certain "impossible" capabilities to Virus.

- -O Gerald Williams / Bell Laboratories - PAI830 55E-224 O-
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From: jlindsay@direct.ca (James Lindsay)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 16:31:08 GMT
Subject: Yet still more IG praise (MM, give Shirley a raise!)

Got a call at 8:11 this morning  :-(

It was Shirley from Imperium Games  :-)

Apparently, she was having problems processing my order.  My VISA card
expired on 06/96 when I placed my order back in mid June.  After the call,
I remembered that Shirley had mentioned that IG would not be billing me
until July.  I quickly sent them some email notifying them of the change (I
had received my new card only days later) and someone replied that they had
made a note of it.

So today, Shirley calls up and tells me she is having problems with my
order (apparently she did not get my email but I quickly explained the
situation and everything is all right now).

I also mentioned that she was generating a lot of praise on the net, with
stories of IG calling up various customers to varify problem orders.  I
could hear her blush!  I was so surprised to get the call that I forgot to
ask about the release date of T4.  Doh!

So Stu and Joe, and everyone else out there that has been contacted by IG--
her name is Shirley  :-)


James W. Lindsay            Vancouver, British Columbia

Taz sez, "Ack! Icky plptht TAZ grunga yeek... PLPTHT!!!"

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From: Larry Hadley <lhadley@knet.knet.flemingc.on.ca>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:34:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Pop Culture in Trav

On Mon, 15 Jul 1996, Stuart L. Dollar wrote:

> Kind of leads me to another interesting debate.  What elements of 
> popular culture would survive as art from the 20th century?
> 
> Stu

  Hopefully not "Beavis and Butthead" ;)

- -- DLH "Warhammer"                           lhadley@knet.flemingc.on.ca
   Traveller stuff for sale/trade.
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"...I do my job the best way I know. I'll keep on doing that. If somebody
gets killed, OK. Nobody lives forever, and I don't have any friends on the
other end of the muzzle"
  - Danny Pritchard




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From: Larry Hadley <lhadley@knet.knet.flemingc.on.ca>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:40:49 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Pop Culture in Trav

On Mon, 15 Jul 1996, Paul Walker wrote:

> >From: Stewart Eyres <spe@astro.keele.ac.uk>
> >"Starting tonight, the classic `Carry On up the Kyber', an Imperial
> >Carry On Company production in three acts, examining the political and
> >military importance of the Kyber Pass on ancient Terra. - Capital
> >Stage & Theatre 150-1026"
> >
> >...and if that reference means nothing to you, then you know nothing
> >of British pop culture.
> 
> OK, I'll bite.  I know nothing of British pop culture.  What is the Kyber pass?

  Khyber pass is a reference to a battle in the English colonial period in
India.

- -- DLH "Warhammer"                           lhadley@knet.flemingc.on.ca
   Traveller stuff for sale/trade.
   http://www.knet.flemingc.on.ca/~lhadley/Profile.html

"...I do my job the best way I know. I'll keep on doing that. If somebody
gets killed, OK. Nobody lives forever, and I don't have any friends on the
other end of the muzzle"
  - Danny Pritchard



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From: Ron Dawson <rdawson@cgc.ns.ca>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 16:40:37 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: Insider Trading

eris@pen.net (Eris Reddoch) wrote:
> On 07/12/96 at 09:45 AM,  Ron Dawson <rdawson@cgc.ns.ca> said:

> >But let's say that Megacorp high tech goods is negotiating with
> >government officials to build a new line of starships for the
> >Imperium.  This contract will be into the Trillions.  Magacorp and
> >government officials know that this is coming down the pipe, so they
> >start to buy up stock (through spouses, relations, what have you)
> >prior to the announcement at which time MegaCorp high tech goods
> >stocks sky rocket.  
> 
> But Ron, this is *clearly* insider trading!  The information is not
> public knowledge and those *involved* used it to profit.

<snip>

> I was talking about publicly available information.  Remember
> Rothchild used carrier pidgeons from harbor to his office to get
> information a few hours before his competition.  That's smart, and
> shouldn't be illegal.  

Yes, I realized that after I had sent my post.  That's what I get for
jumping into a bundle of digests midway through.  Given the relatively
loose controls in the imperium and the difficulty in enforcing equal
access to information I can see what you're getting at.  

> Take a different tack, let's say your scenerio about the government
> contract is right, but instead of insider information you have 
> enlightened speculation.  You, the smart trader, hire a team of sharp
> investigators and analysts who advise you that the rumored contract is
> about to blow up (or actually go through).  Based on their advice you
> *speculate* in the Megacrop's stock...isn't that perfectly legal?  The

It would depend on what the investigators did to get that information.  But
so long as it was "legal", yes, I would say that it probably wouldn't be a
problem in the third Imperium.  

Do the MegaCorps and others maintain their own "private" XBoat equivalent
mail networks?  If people are competing on the basis of access to
information/news, I can see that happening - unless that is declared in
violation of some form of Imperial charter.

- - Ron

- --------------------------------------------------------
Ron Dawson
CANSARP Support,                       Search and Rescue
Canadian Coast Guard College,                Sydney N.S.
Phone: (902) 564-3660 x1345          Fax: (902) 562-6113
Email: rdawson@cgc.ns.ca  Pager Email: pageron@cgc.ns.ca
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From: Ethan Henry <ehenry@mag1.magmacom.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:58:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Off Topic SF Book Question

> From: Paul Walker <tiger@datasync.com>
> Subject: Off Topic SF Book Question
> 
> Second, how does the Foundation universe compare and relate to the Traveller
> universe?

Giant computers. :) Mysterious, unexplained  methods of interstellar
travel. Plot above nit-picky little details.
 
> And, Third, WHAT ORDER SHOULD I READ THESE STINKIN BOOKS IN?!?!?!?!  I

The order they were written in. Plus, read the Robot series before
you get into the later Foundation books, as you need to know what
happened way back then too. Basically, read the books in the order
Asimov wrote them, not in the order they occur with respect to the
books' internal timeline. The way the books tie together at th eend,
you almost have to read everthing Asimov ever wrote, in the order he wrote
it. Someone else posted a list. I suppose you could skip his non-
fiction stuff, but heck, that 3-part physics series wouldn't hurt either. :)

Ethan

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From: Tom Miller <scouse@inforamp.net>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:56:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Off Topic SF Book Question

>Hey, this is a bit off topic, but I have a few questions about the somewhat
>scattered and meandering thread concerning Sci-Fi books that are good
>traveller type books.
>
>First, let me explain that I am just starting to read the Asimov Foundation
>series.  OK, so I'm a late bloomer, so sue me!  Anyway, I've noticed a few
>things that make me wonder how much of this stuff was used for traveller.
>I've only finished the first book, "Mathmematician," and I'm curious if
>anyone knows if the ideas of psychohistory, and the Cleon personna were
>borrowed from this universe?

Definitely Psychohistory, as Asimov wrote his first books with these in, in
the late 1950s.

>And, Third, WHAT ORDER SHOULD I READ THESE STINKIN BOOKS IN?!?!?!?!  I
>picked up _Prelude to Foundation_ thinking that I would start at the
>beginning.  Well, I've come to find out that not only was this bok not
>written first, it also isn't the first book in the history.  I don't mind
>reading books out of historical order, but if one book answers questions
>raised in another book, I'd like to read the questions first then the
>answers!  HELP!!!!!

There's a few series that link together to make a whole 'history of the future'.

The Caves of Steel -- Robots
The Naked Sun -- Robots
Robots of Dawn -- Robots
Robots and Empire -- Robots
The Currents of Space -- Empire
The Stars, Like Dust -- Empire
Pebble in the Sky -- Empire
Prelude to Foundation -- Foundation
Forward the Foundation -- Foundation
Foundation -- Foundation
Foundation and Empire -- Foundation
Second Foundation -- Foundation
Foundation's Edge -- FOundation
Foundation and Earth -- Foundation

Peter Miller

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From: Joe Walsh <ransom@connect.iconnect.net>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:14:18 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Yet still more IG praise (MM, give Shirley a raise!)

On Mon, 15 Jul 1996, James Lindsay wrote:

> So Stu and Joe, and everyone else out there that has been contacted by IG--
> her name is Shirley  :-)

James,

Ah, thanks.  Certainly she will soon be taking her rightful place among 
the various Traveller mythos told by the afficianados thereof.  :)  20 
years from now:  "Yeah, well, I actually /talked/ to Shirley, back in 
'96.  She saved Imperium Games, you know." :)


- -Joe
______________________________________________________________________________
Joseph E. Walsh      |  Atari 8-Bit User and Programmer Since 1982
ransom@iconnect.net  |  Classic Traveller Referee Since 1983
Stuck in the '80s    |  Microsoft-Free and Loving It! :)



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From: muskrat@msn.fullfeed.com (John Kovalic)
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:22:11 -0500
Subject: Pop Culture in Trav (was Corn Dogs)

Leonard Erickson wrote:
>
>> How many pop-cultural references do we have lying around from 1600 BC?
>> What's left is mostly in the form of Myth and Legend, not people quoting
>> Euripides (which isn't even 3,600 years away)....
>
>Remember, back then myths and legends *were* "pop culture". This was
>true right up until the Renaisance.
>
>So the fact that we know the epic of Gilgamesh and similarly old
>stories (the Iliad and the Odessy refer to *events* OLDER than 1600 BC
>as I recall).

(many excellent points skipped)

>
>What was need was the sort of thing that even *Star Trek* did halfway
>decently. You refer to a few things that people recognize from ancient
>history and contemporary history. Then you tack on some extra
>references to events in *their* past, but our future. Like mentioning
>the a list of important legal documents... the Magna Carta, The
>Declaration of Independence, the Mish'nim of Sylea...

Yes. PLUS, when quoting from Traveller's "past," you don't focus on late
20th century Americana (with Python thrown in) to the exclusion of OTHER
past times or cultures. More Shakespeare, for example, or Euripides, or
Euro trash culture. The latter TNE releases just struck me as being myopic
in this respect.


John Kovalic



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From: Tom Ellis <tellis@telerama.lm.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 13:23:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Pop Culture in Trav

On Mon, 15 Jul 1996, Larry Hadley wrote:

>   Hopefully not "Beavis and Butthead" ;)
> 

That's funny, that is how I tend to think of Lucan and Dulinor.

_______________________________________________________
Tom Ellis
tellis@telerama.lm.com
http://www.lm.com/~tellis/

"No! Do, or do not.  There is not try." Yoda
_______________________________________________________ 


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From: Joe Walsh <ransom@connect.iconnect.net>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:33:58 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Courier Services.

On Sun, 14 Jul 1996, Charles Collin wrote:

> Hi all.  I have a few ideas regarding this.
> 
> 1) The Imperium would allow private and competitive message carriers (in
> fact they already do effectively, since private merchants can presumably
> carry info as cargo), but would not allow them to have greater than jump-4
> ships.  They at least would keep J5+ ships tightly controlled.  This would
> maintain their monopoly on rapid message transport. 

Huh.  So you're saying the, in the Imperium (circa CT) it is illegal for 
an entity other than the Imperil government to purchase or requisition a 
J-5 or J-6 capable starship, without getting some sort of clearance from 
the government?  Interesting.


[item #2 snipped]

> 3) An interesting business opportunity might be cut-rate but relatively
> slow/unreliable transport of messages by non-subsidized merchants or
> private craft just passing through in the right direction.  Basically, the
> Haphazzard Message Company would pay people 250 Cr a ton to transport
> letters and stuff in their spare space.  Merchants would only carry such 
> parcels to fill a few leftover tons of cargo bay space, while scouts, yachts 
> and so on could use this to make a little side cash with their tiny cargo 
> bays.

Good idea.  I like this better than the 5x standard cargo rates 
rule...more flexibility is good.  And your specific idea of a Haphazard 
Message Company is a good one, too. :)


- -Joe
______________________________________________________________________________
Joseph E. Walsh      |  Atari 8-Bit User and Programmer Since 1982
ransom@iconnect.net  |  Classic Traveller Referee Since 1983
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From: Mark Clark <markc@udel.edu>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 13:39:40 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: Knowledge of Terran History (Xboat-digest V1996 #127)

> >We know from Survival Margin that Strephon quoted Lincoln, so at
> >least some American influence continues on.  The Third Imperium is
> >described as having a substantial middle-class, and that Imperial culture
> >is similar to ``that of late 20th century America`` (then again we should
> >remember that the authors of Traveller are late 20th century Americans,
> >so we shouldn't be too surprised).
> 
> Some people have a problem with the physics of certain things in
> Traveller - I have a huge problem with this.  Three and a half thousand
> years of development, contact with a variety of alien races, intermixing
> with a variety of human races, all with different cultural and historical
> backgrounds - and the predominant culture is 'similar' to late C20
> America?  Please!  This makes virus look like a well thought out,
> likely and consistent plot development.
> 
> I never got the impression from CT that this was the case, but it certainly
> seemed to come out in the TNE materials I read, and I think that it
> was one of the weakest parts of the mileu.  This isn't for any anti-US
> reasons, just for reasons of credibility and believability.  The authors
> of Traveller may well be late C20 Americans, but then the majority of
> SF writers are late C20 Americans, and that doesn't stop some of them
> producing believable, interesting yet different far future cultures.

  Actually, this is one of the reasons I liked GDW's 2300AD so much.  By 
setting things three hundred years in the future, one could logically 
postulate a linkage to present-day culture and political forms, with some 
odd changes (the French as the dominant world power!?).  You're right, it 
doesn't work as well for TNE.

> 
> > Good point.  It is likely that the average Imperial citizen doesn't know
> >Lincoln from Washington.  Someone with `History-1` might know that
> >they were great American Presidents, someone with `History-2` might
> >also know that Washington was the first U.S. president (some with
> >History-7 would know that John Hancock was technically the first
> >president, but he was President of the Continental Congress), and that
> >Lincoln was President during something called ``The American Civil
> >War``, which they might wrongly conclude was similar to the Imperial
> >Civil War and that characters such as Lee and Jefferson Davis were
> >generals trying to seize the Presidency from Lincoln.  You get the idea.
> 
> Oh come on!  The Imperium numbers some 11,000 worlds. Many
> Imperials will be of Vilani or mixed Vilani/Solomani descent.  Many of
> those who are of Solomani descent who are able to or willing to trace
> their cultural ancestry will be from non-American stock.  Nearly FOUR
> millenia will have passed since today.  I would suggest that the vast
> majority of Imperial citizens would have no knowledge of the US'
> existence.  Why would somebody whose ancestors have been living
> on world x for 2000 years be bothered about the early history of one of
> the nations which was part of UNSCA which eventually became the
> Terran Confederation etc etc.
> 
> There probably would be a few specialised historians who would be
> historians of pre-spaceflight Terra.  But not many.  The average
> Imnperial historian would be much more interested in the history of
> their world, their subsector,their sector, their Imperium, than they would
> be in that of a pre-spaceflight nation on Terra.

  I feel the need to disagree, at least with respect to Millieu 0.  It 
has not been long since Europeans (and Americans for that matter) spent a 
large amount of time studying Greek and Roman language and history.  In 
the United States, at least, some degree of mastery of Latin was required 
to enroll in college until the late 19th Century - the rise of 
engineering is really what did that in finally.  I remember being taught 
latin and greek roots in high school so as to prepare for language 
tests, and there are some schools (mostly Catholic ones) that still 
stress latin and greek in their curriculum.

  Why did this situation come about?  Prior to the late 19th Century, 
Roman civilization and Roman civil engineering were in evidence all 
around.  As European societies expanded and organized themselves, they 
did so in the shadow of a Roman empire that had spanned a greater area 
than any one country, and that had moreover managed to build civil works 
(walls, aqueducts, roads) that outmatched anything contemporary society 
could accomplish.

  To my mind, the Syleans are in much the same situation.  As they expand 
to the stars, everywhere they are reminded that they are not the first, 
that the First Imperium and the Rule of Man preceeds them.  Moreover, I 
would imagine that engineers would study old records for a hint on what 
could be done and how to do it.  To my mind, Sylean exploration teams 
would include data-recovery specialists, trained in the operation and 
interpretation of First Imperium records.

  As a result, the history of the First Imperium and the Folks from Terra 
who Ended Their Glorious Rule will probably be a part of the average history
curriculum in Millue 0, or even later.  Of course, by the time period of 
Classic Traveller, much of that history has probably been cut out of the 
curriculum, to make room for the study of all those Emperors of the Flag.


Mark "I'll see your three Roman emperors and raise you two" Clark

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From: Daniel Taylor <dante@polaris.solon.com>
Date: Mon, 15 Jul 1996 12:45:30 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: Starships

On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, Derek Stanley wrote:

> Paul Walker wrote:
> > 
> >>Man-hours is probably best.  Remember Liberty ships?  Check the
> >>speed records in churning those out--but it was with the yards
> >>working all three shifts and extra workers and war-time
> >>mobilization.
> 
> Having just watched a program on the U-boat war in the atlantic the 
> record for producing a Liberty ship is around 3.5 days.  The American 
> ship yards were generally producing 40 or something like that a month.
> 
Of course they were essentially pouring the hull.. place the fittings,
pour the hull and main decks, let dry, add necessary extras, launch.

With metallic ceramics the Imperium could get the same effect.  It
would be quite good for SDB's and in-system fuel tankers, more
difficult for jump capable ships (form the jump grid,
place the jump, power plant, and maneuver drives, blow rock
foam into place for structure, acdd bridge and sensors).

Daniel Taylor

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